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Post by ajsoma on Jul 9, 2009 8:00:37 GMT -5
Don, Like capt. tony said...great work and thanks for all you have done. Don, I find it interesting and disappointing that The LCI will not provide the numbers and names of what charities or organizations they support each year. I believe as ajsoma said, If they said hey we donated 10,000 to the lamprey program or 5,000 to lake cleanup then people would have a more positive attitude. Why would they NOT want to provide this information? It does state that the derbies are fundraising events. Fundraisers for what? I hope with more and more interest we will soon get the answers. Thank You for all your efforts and hard work. I can only speak for myself but you are to be commended. Thanks again. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com Tony, Bingo....thats all that I would like to see, because I am interested. You would think that somewhere in OM it would say something about the money put back into the lake based on the previous years earnings.
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Post by champlain fisher on Jul 9, 2009 10:51:14 GMT -5
It might help with getting donations from private sources for them as well. Some of these type donations can be huge. Non disclousure just makes those types of donations end up in other hands due to dis-trust of the organaztion. The positives out weigh the negatives with disclousure IMO.
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Post by salmoneye on Jul 9, 2009 11:08:18 GMT -5
Gee... Ya think maybe the LCI people have been advised by counsel not to reply except through them due to the hostile nature of 95% of the posts about them? If I were admin here, I would be vary cognizant of the fine line between 'discussion', and 'libelous statements'... Take it for what it is worth...
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Post by lazybones on Jul 9, 2009 12:08:08 GMT -5
Gee... Ya think maybe the LCI people have been advised by counsel not to reply except through them due to the hostile nature of 95% of the posts about them? If I were admin here, I would be vary cognizant of the fine line between 'discussion', and 'libelous statements'... Take it for what it is worth... Well, I think that would open up another can of worms and call into question the integrity of the organizers and the event to an even greater extent then what some may perceive has been done to this point. I would bet my last dollar that no one here WANTS to find out that there is more here then meets the eye or plans to pursue some sort of legal action against them. But, some questions do remain.
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Post by instigator (Reggie) on Jul 9, 2009 15:29:52 GMT -5
yes there is some dought about money and the state of vt, just look at the lottery I would like to see the real figures on were all that mony goes, profits go to the education fund, RIGHT there is always another secret aggenda, Reggie
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Post by buckshot (Ben) on Jul 9, 2009 15:49:23 GMT -5
Salmoneye I think you are way off base. No hostil intent has been brought upon the LCI or anyone else. Just simple facts. Some people have questions. How is that liable?
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Post by bluefish on Jul 9, 2009 16:01:57 GMT -5
Salmoneye I think you are way off base. No hostil intent has been brought upon the LCI or anyone else. Just simple facts. Some people have questions. How is that liable? 99% + I would agree with you, but there have been a few posts on the edge and 1 or two over.
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Post by ajsoma on Jul 9, 2009 18:42:30 GMT -5
Gee... Ya think maybe the LCI people have been advised by counsel not to reply except through them due to the hostile nature of 95% of the posts about them? If I were admin here, I would be vary cognizant of the fine line between 'discussion', and 'libelous statements'... Take it for what it is worth... hahaha this is really getting good.... salmoneye, read through the threads, nobody is being hostile or making any libelous comments....nobody wants to destroy LCI...haha some people on this site are missing the whole point
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Post by donsreelsports on Jul 9, 2009 19:18:54 GMT -5
I can tell you this. The last thing the LCI board said to me was that they were "not interested in taking on any additional administrative burden" because of my "personal vendetta". They DO NOT LIKE PEPOPLE QUESTIONING THEM. The only one with a vendetta, it seems, are the LCI people who have been keeping you all in the dark for years---through over millions of dollars-- and expecting that the only way you could get this information was to obtain a copy of the 990s and pore over them. To me that seems just a bit haughty and definitely not in the best interests of OPEN DISCLOSURE. And there are many, many here who have asked the simple question----IN ALL THESE YEARS, IF THERE HAVE BEEN SO MANY DOLLARS PUT BACK INTO THE RESOURCE---WHY HAS OM NOT JUST PRINTED THEM ALL AND THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS AND BRAGGED ABOUT THEM---SO WE COULD ALL KNOW? WHY NOT?
It is only my opinion, but I believe that in any given individual year, the total amounts actually given back to the resource are a paltry few dollars of the total revenues collected and that most of you would be ashamed of yourselves for thinking otherwise. If I could prove different---I would shout it across the waters of Lake Champlain---but I haven't been able to yet!!!
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Post by An Bradon Charters on Jul 9, 2009 21:02:06 GMT -5
Don, Once again great information. I do not feel you are alone at all. I think you should be commended on taking the reins and asking the tough questions and going through the proper channels to get accurate information. I also think by looking at the views of these posts that weather or not you are right or wrong you are bringing awareness to the subject. When all of the facts are sifted through and answers on the table that can not be argued it is a win win for the average guy. Meaning if the proof comes out that all these dealings are are the up and up and money is going to help the resource we all love LAKE CHAMPLAIN! Then that is great and I for sure will support it. If on the other hand that is not the case then many many people including myself will be educated and not make the same mistake twice. Thank you again. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 9:10:37 GMT -5
I would invite anyone here to contact James Ehlers to discuss in person or go to a board meeting to investigate the facts. I was enlightened to learn many of the things stated here is far from the truth of the matter. The LCI has an open door to anyone and are very cordial and helpful. They are a true asset to our fisheries.
Thank you,
Ron
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Post by donsreelsports on Jul 10, 2009 9:51:42 GMT -5
Ron---we are all big boys here---I can take the heat----why do you not just reply---right here--with a rebuttal of ANY of the factual information that you are saying is a lie---i mean---what the heck---I tookl the time to look it up. Don't please just regurgitate what Ehlers tells you---tell me what, of what I said, is untrue---or you get the 990 and see for yourself if any of the numbers I have given here are incorrect.----Ron, I have NEVER said that they are NOT an asset to our fisheries---you like many others are missing the point. If you think that giving our money to "fishing for friends" is more important than LAMPREY CONTROL OR ACCESS IMPROVEMENT, OR SPECIES IMPROVEMENT---then more power to you------but I DON'T. The fact is that we have been "lobbied" by Ehlers in the OM now for years---but we have NEVER been given the figures, have we, Ron? You think they really want to make it EASY for you to see the figures you read here? If you do, then you go on line and get the 22 pages of 990 filings---pore over them and then you tell us where the $433,008 went last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2009 9:56:41 GMT -5
Let me reiterate please. I invite anyone to go to a board meeting or speak with James on a personal level to investigate the true facts. Very easy thing to do. And one can formulate there own opinions. There is two sides to every issue. I am very comfortable with my findings.
Thank you,
Ron
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Post by salmoneye on Jul 10, 2009 10:37:27 GMT -5
go on line and get the 22 pages of 990 filings Link?
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Post by donsreelsports on Jul 10, 2009 13:08:02 GMT -5
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