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Post by plantstone on Jan 27, 2011 5:40:51 GMT -5
Sorry to bring the discussion over here, but wanted to attach some photos... Last year was my first year entering any Champlain derby's. I participated in the Lil' Angler's derby and the All Season. It was important (for me) to bring the little one out in a group format to see lots of kids fishing and having fun. Normally, I toss her in the boat and we set out as a duo on Lake Iroquois. This organized event may spark a lifetime passion for some. Who can resist the charm of Bobber Bob? As for the All Season, I look at the money I spend on it as a donation to the lake (though I guess I don't really know where that money is going after reading other peoples thoughts) I'm not fishing to win big, rather I'd be fishing anyways & if I did catch the big one -- it would be nice to have the option to enter it. Fishing the fathers day tourney has always sounded like why I avoid the ski resorts on a holiday weekend. Might be too much going on to move freely and have fun. Attachments:
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Post by plantstone on Jan 27, 2011 5:44:04 GMT -5
This pike, 23.5" / 2.96 lbs was enough to crown my little girl the winner of the Lil' Angler's derby! Attachments:
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Post by fishinmachine on Jan 27, 2011 6:29:40 GMT -5
i'm sorry plantstone, but I missed your point?
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Post by plantstone on Jan 27, 2011 6:51:50 GMT -5
Maybe more a sharing of my experiences/ thoughts than a point. I think the idea of organized events can be fun, motivating, engaging, and a chance to meet like minded individuals. The long-term harm they may produce is out of my knowledge range -- though becoming apparent through reading peoples thoughts. And because of this site, it's giving me reason to question it. After reading this thread (in LCI) I started reading the LCI Stats thread. It's a lot to take in.
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Post by plantstone on Jan 27, 2011 6:56:10 GMT -5
Again, I posted in here to show pictures. Picture of kids learning angling and having fun. I thought that was worth sharing in the midst of a discussion on tourneys. This isn't exactly the derby leaving floating bass in the water, but I think shows some events that are worth having.
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Post by Dockside (Ben) on Jan 27, 2011 7:01:47 GMT -5
OMG!!!! You just opened Pandora's box! ;D
" I fear we may have woken a Sleeping Giant."
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Post by harkness on Jan 27, 2011 8:26:27 GMT -5
i got no probs with LCI - they do lottsa good stuff
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Post by sleepswithdafishes on Jan 27, 2011 9:01:14 GMT -5
Does not this whole disscusion go back to dead bass after bass tourneys??? I know a lot of people that truly have a great time fishing the LCI And look foward to it every year!!! Isnt that what fishing should be ? Fun!!!I know there has been a lot of talk about the lci good and bad ! But I think from what ive heard the good really seems to outweigh the bad! So maybe these Bass tourney organizers need to come up with a plan to minimize the die off from there tourneys!!! Just my humble opinion.Sleeps
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Post by lazybones on Jan 27, 2011 11:23:01 GMT -5
Does not this whole disscusion go back to dead bass after bass tourneys??? I know a lot of people that truly have a great time fishing the LCI And look foward to it every year!!! Isnt that what fishing should be ? Fun!!!I know there has been a lot of talk about the lci good and bad ! But I think from what ive heard the good really seems to outweigh the bad! So maybe these Bass tourney organizers need to come up with a plan to minimize the die off from there tourneys!!! Just my humble opinion.Sleeps Yes to the bolded. Why is it that we need organized tournaments and prizes to make it fun? I don't fish on LCI weekend because it is not fun to deal with circus that is the LCI. I don't agree with the good outweighing the bad from a resource protection/enhancement perspective.
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Post by mikep on Jan 27, 2011 22:29:38 GMT -5
Plantstone, I think the pictures of your fish and Daughter are great and they do show a wonderful family activity any time of the year. Great memories for kids that never go away.
last year we discussed the LCI a lot, it you notice the 12,000 hits or so. its got to be a record. For me at least I think the thrust of it was discovering that the LCI does not do any boots on the ground projects that help to clean up the lake, target phosphorous, attack Lamprey, or support financially with cash any state or local effort, or any effort physically to do something hands on to reduce any pollution in the Champlain watershed. I felt and I think a lot of others did that the LCI through the image it creates, was out there doing hard projects. to find out that was not true , was shocking to me at least. that is still not confirmed on this forum by the LCI which is something that I don't understand.
We discovered through their non profit filings with the IRS that they essentially use the margin of profit (cash margin earned) from the LCI derby and other derbies to fund their staff, not fix up the lake. No cash flowing to the lake. They support small amounts to Bobber Bob and the Howard foundation, that is like trickle down money. And they do other promotional things in not big ways.
the only time this forum got a response it was from their lawyer who was not nice and he vaguely insisted that they did do (hard ) projects, none of which where ever documented to this forum. He was going to provide an allocation of funds to show what they do, but that never made it to this forum. This forum was ignored by the LCI and that is not going to change. No offense to them but I think they see this forum as a nuisance that cannot benefit them and they have better things to do than contend with opinionated fishermen that have no clout.
Former skeptics, we had a couple on this forum I know about, went to the LCI and came back born again to swear up and down the LCI was golden, but could not put that in measurable words about what it is the LCi produces directly for the lake.
They do keep an eye on things related to the lake, pay the staff well, lobby for the lake (provide encouragement to our Congressional Delegation for Grants and so forth) , stay abreast of developments and post them, go to a lot of meetings. I'm sure they do more but I cant tell you. Sad part is when we asked them to explain what they do , they would not explain it on the forum. they had a surrogate who at one time was going to explain things , Burlington Boatyard but he quit doing anything without explanation. He didn't say goodbye.
ON the other hand , James Elhers , the director if you go to see him I have no doubt he would tell you anything you asked about what they do, about finances, their goals, their accomplishments, etc.
You can join the membership but you cant vote. So, the group of directors as they are, is it. Its not a democratic group. I think they are primarily a paperwork entity that lobbies for the lake is a fair way to put it. Doing good things but not hard projects directly themselves, and not paying for or sponsoring others to do hard projects. they may help get funds into the state for clean up and they support things that fishermen need.
So in sum the significant interest in this topic came about from the difference in their image of what they do, to what they actually do . And their failure to respond on this forum. Had they explained it in the beginning, the LCi thread would have been average in responses, I believe.
The Derby (s) itself is fun to me, if you like to gamble. I like the idea its a stimulant to business around the lake.
this is just my opinion, my two cents.
MikeP
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Post by fishinmachine on Jan 28, 2011 6:25:41 GMT -5
very well said ,Mike,and I agree with you,there is more on the LCI Board part of this forum,but ,as you have stated,we have been down this road many,many, times,,,0ver 12,000 views ought to be enough
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Post by salmoneye on Jan 28, 2011 6:58:14 GMT -5
Well said Mike P...
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Post by plantstone on Jan 28, 2011 8:39:35 GMT -5
Right Mike P. No doubt a lot to leaf through from past threads. It's not so easy to claim ignorance on all these issues and just fish...unless you're just a kid with a pole. Simpler times...
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Post by -pumpkinseedwon on Feb 6, 2011 19:47:20 GMT -5
Should we put the LCI to bed on this forum I think so
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Post by fishinmachine on Feb 6, 2011 22:40:53 GMT -5
Hell,what else are we going to talk about on this ,the lci board?
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