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Post by maefly on Aug 24, 2010 20:47:09 GMT -5
There was bass tournament out of Apple Island marina recently. Two days later what did we see? Dead bass. Guys that hold these events out of the marina are required to release the fish outside the no wake buoys (13) feet as to try to cut down on the kill. On two trips right after the tourney My clients including kids asked why all the dead fish? They most likely will not become Bass tourney guys. Flw is this week. I will be glad when it is done. ;D Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com Swanton, St. Albans, and Mallets Bay have them this weekend to. Also Ferrisburg, South Bay, and 3 separate ones at Ti, 2 of them not listed in the F&W list. Probably a few more without VT permits to. Gonna be a busy weekend Tony !
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Post by An Bradon Charters on Aug 25, 2010 2:46:52 GMT -5
There was bass tournament out of Apple Island marina recently. Two days later what did we see? Dead bass. Guys that hold these events out of the marina are required to release the fish outside the no wake buoys (13) feet as to try to cut down on the kill. On two trips right after the tourney My clients including kids asked why all the dead fish? They most likely will not become Bass tourney guys. Flw is this week. I will be glad when it is done. ;D Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com Swanton, St. Albans, and Mallets Bay have them this weekend to. Also Ferrisburg, South Bay, and 3 separate ones at Ti, 2 of them not listed in the F&W list. Probably a few more without VT permits to. Gonna be a busy weekend Tony ! Looks to be so. It is just sad to see so many fish wasted . I would support a smaller limit on Bass. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
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Post by schodackbassman on Aug 25, 2010 9:01:06 GMT -5
Earlier in the year you don't see the fish kills like now because of the water temp. Two weeks ago water temp was pushing 80 which is pretty warm around here anyway.
Whether the kills are from tournaments or natural causes is up for debate. But because the problem is limited to one area one could speculate that it was the result of tournament fishing. It will be interesting to see what happens in Plattsburg next week. Last year there were a lot of problems if you remember. I hope the problem doesn't surface/sink again. Tournaments are good for Plattsburg upstate economy which is good thing as long as the price the lake pays isn't to high.
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Post by champlain fisher on Aug 25, 2010 13:03:13 GMT -5
Other then being dead did the fish apear to be healthy looking? The virus VHS causes the fish to have lessions on them, if your not seeing that then most likely die-off from the tournaments. There are way, way to many of them now and from what I hear from the guys who fish bass regularly is that the bass fishing has gone downhill the last few years. I may be biased as I have never been a copetition fisherman, never see the apeal in it.
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Post by maefly on Aug 25, 2010 14:40:53 GMT -5
Other then being dead did the fish apear to be healthy looking? The virus VHS causes the fish to have lessions on them, if your not seeing that then most likely die-off from the tournaments. There are way, way to many of them now and from what I hear from the guys who fish bass regularly is that the bass fishing has gone downhill the last few years. I may be biased as I have never been a copetition fisherman, never see the apeal in it. Not a mark on them, like you mention, other than being dead they looked healthy.
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Post by bluefish on Aug 25, 2010 16:34:38 GMT -5
"Not a mark on them, like you mention, other than being dead they looked healthy. "
That's got to be put on a T-Shirt...
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Post by champlainbaits on Aug 25, 2010 19:28:54 GMT -5
Champlain fisher...I'm a bass guy all the way...and I love competitive fishing a lot. That said I hate to see tons of dead fish. I think schodackbassman is right on the water temp...it's very hard for a bass to live in a live-well all day when the angler doesn't know what they are doing...water temp and oxygen levels really come into play...and if not managed properly the bass are done for.
I really wish more of the clubs would consider a smaller limit or even a lunker only format. Maybe now that BASS has new owners conservation will come back into the forefront.
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Post by Yar-craft Crazy(Lally) on Aug 25, 2010 19:57:15 GMT -5
Champlain fisher...I'm a bass guy all the way...and I love competitive fishing a lot. That said I hate to see tons of dead fish. I think schodackbassman is right on the water temp...it's very hard for a bass to live in a live-well all day when the angler doesn't know what they are doing...water temp and oxygen levels really come into play...and if not managed properly the bass are done for. I really wish more of the clubs would consider a smaller limit or even a lunker only format. Maybe now that BASS has new owners conservation will come back into the forefront. Yup, Absolutely the water conditions are just not conducive to catch and release in the heat of the summer! That's why I walleye fish in the summer. The water conditions are far to warm and Oxogen deprived to keep them in the livewell as well, so I WHACK them over the head with my Boga and place them in the cooler full of ice! ;D
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Post by Raz on Aug 26, 2010 5:56:02 GMT -5
Yup, Absolutely the water conditions are just not conducive to catch and release in the heat of the summer! That's why I walleye fish in the summer. The water conditions are far to warm and Oxogen deprived to keep them in the livewell as well, so I WHACK them over the head with my Boga and place them in the cooler full of ice! ;D Awesome!
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Post by boogie on Aug 26, 2010 7:57:41 GMT -5
Hey guys, we had the same problem on the St Lawrence about a month ago. Bass, catfish, burbot, carp were all seen floating. The ministry told us that because the weather got pretty hot and early, it in return warmed up the water into the 80's thus killing the fish. I know a lot of our bass guys carry ice and use Rejuvinate continuously troughout the day in order to help them out.
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Post by sleepswithdafishes on Aug 26, 2010 8:05:52 GMT -5
I know bass fisherman wont like this but what about no tourneys in august? Part of what may happen is the state might get pressure from tree huggers or whatever and may start thinking about new regulations , which we probably all agree is not what you want !!! Just a thought .Sleeps
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Post by maefly on Aug 26, 2010 9:18:44 GMT -5
I know bass fisherman wont like this but what about no tourneys in august? Part of what may happen is the state might get pressure from tree huggers or whatever and may start thinking about new regulations , which we probably all agree is not what you want !!! Just a thought .Sleeps OK, here I go, I'm about to piss off the world again, here goes... Tree huggers are the least of their problem. With little effort I accounted for 10 tournies this weekend, and this is not unusual. They start before the season even opens disguised as bowfin tournies and continue through almost to winter. Nobody will ever convince me that this is sustainable. F&W runs the lake as a bass tournie machine, at our expense. We cant keep a stupid bass through the ice, but they can be dragged around in livewells all summer long just to die off by the score and wash up on shore. And the bass tournie industry are their own worst enemies. It took 3 years of complaints and a face to face meeting with F&W staff, including the commisioner, just to get an agreement not to issue permits during waterfowl youth season, with the bass clubs kicking and screaming all the way. You would have thought that losing that one weekend was like driving a stake in their heart. And nothing says they cant fish all they want, but for some reason they feel they cant fish unless there's money and points at stake. There's a reason so many clubs and national tournies come here, it's because our fishery has not been desimated...YET, but thats coming to. Keep in mind that in the south where these things started they STOCK bass. So whats in our future, raising bass in our hatcheries to feed the machine ? So lets continue down this path, eventualy we can all sit back and dream of the days when the lake was full of bass, just like we do for walleye. I can just imagine the outrage if there were a couple hundred trout and salmon derbies a year. And I havnt begun to speculate on what thousands of bass tournie anglers a year are doing to our pike fishery. There, I said it. Let the firestorm begin.
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Post by lazybones on Aug 26, 2010 10:00:22 GMT -5
I know bass fisherman wont like this but what about no tourneys in august? Part of what may happen is the state might get pressure from tree huggers or whatever and may start thinking about new regulations , which we probably all agree is not what you want !!! Just a thought .Sleeps OK, here I go, I'm about to piss off the world again, here goes... Tree huggers are the least of their problem. With little effort I accounted for 10 tournies this weekend, and this is not unusual. They start before the season even opens disguised as bowfin tournies and continue through almost to winter. Nobody will ever convince me that this is sustainable. F&W runs the lake as a bass tournie machine, at our expense. We cant keep a stupid bass through the ice, but they can be dragged around in livewells all summer long just to die off by the score and wash up on shore. And the bass tournie industry are their own worst enemies. It took 3 years of complaints and a face to face meeting with F&W staff, including the commisioner, just to get an agreement not to issue permits during waterfowl youth season, with the bass clubs kicking and screaming all the way. You would have thought that losing that one weekend was like driving a stake in their heart. And nothing says they cant fish all they want, but for some reason they feel they cant fish unless there's money and points at stake. There's a reason so many clubs and national tournies come here, it's because our fishery has not been desimated...YET, but thats coming to. Keep in mind that in the south where these things started they STOCK bass. So whats in our future, raising bass in our hatcheries to feed the machine ? So lets continue down this path, eventualy we can all sit back and dream of the days when the lake was full of bass, just like we do for walleye. I can just imagine the outrage if there were a couple hundred trout and salmon derbies a year. And I havnt begun to speculate on what thousands of bass tournie anglers a year are doing to our pike fishery. There, I said it. Let the firestorm begin. I agree with this 100%. I would have have included ALL tournament fishing though.
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Post by sleepswithdafishes on Aug 26, 2010 10:32:54 GMT -5
Well Ok !! I can see where your coming from maefly, Hopefully bass fisherman before its to late will wakeup and get together and do the right thing that being not killing fish !! Im sure thats not the intent . Question does this happen most years or is this year unusual because of the heat?Sleeps
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Post by maefly on Aug 26, 2010 10:51:02 GMT -5
Well Ok !! I can see where your coming from maefly, Hopefully bass fisherman before its to late will wakeup and get together and do the right thing that being not killing fish !! Im sure thats not the intent . Question does this happen most years or is this year unusual because of the heat?Sleeps Intent is not what bothers me, the results are what matters. Big difference between keeping some bass for the frying pan and having them wash up on shore for the sake of prize money, standings, and the dream of a Strenn endorsement. And god help the poor soul that tries to go out this weekend with the kids in their 12' al boat for some perch.
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