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Post by walleyeguy on Mar 21, 2010 18:43:01 GMT -5
Nice Job! You did a good job presenting that and I agree 100% The poll I ran on this same topic last year I am guessing did thirty responses. You did a much nicer job making the case and I hope that you can get enough input to make a change. I lost the print out with the averages that I did and cant remember but I think there were only two over nine pounds in the last five years and like you mentioned earlier they have had a tough time fielding ten entries! I think it is as simple as which one is harder to catch?
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Post by walleyeguy on Mar 21, 2010 18:44:45 GMT -5
I think it was Razzle last year that made the point every species for its self and i agree with that.
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Post by reeldeal on Mar 21, 2010 19:51:33 GMT -5
If the state record was just caught they're probably not going to increase their point value, especially if your theory is correct.
Jr
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Post by salmoneye on Mar 22, 2010 6:00:22 GMT -5
If the state record was just caught they're probably not going to increase their point value Bingo.
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Post by maefly on Mar 22, 2010 8:54:41 GMT -5
Alright, first off we have the cool water species (walleye, small mouth, pike) Look at this graph i made of average scores from the top ten fish each year and tell me what you think. Personally, i think the walleye point per pound needs to increase. Its currently 54, while small mouth is 100 per pound. So in other words a 9.25 lb walleye is the same as a 5 lb small mouth. There have been five 5lb small mouth weighed in since 1993, and one walleye over 9.25 since 1993! Not only has there been only one walleye over 9.25lbs since 1993, but there has been a few years that there hasn't been 10 fish weighed in to fill the whole category! Just look at these averages since 1993!!!! I think its time we take some points away form the small mouth and add them to pike and walleye. This is a link to how they formulated their present point system www.mychamplain.net/userfiles/lci-derby-analysis-final-092906.xlsAverages Year Wal smal pike1993 ~~ 451 374 1994 ~~ 425 370 1995 ~~ 418 413 1996 468 422 382 1997 439 433 447 1998 399 429 328 1999 374 450 406 2000 411 453 368 2001 399 466 393 2002 441 453 408 2003 377 453 404 2004 372 453 404 2005 366 454 393 2006 369 474 408 2007 354 478 393 2008 369 476 439 2009 347 477 462 (ALL OF THESE AVERAGES ARE FROM THE TOP TEN FISH WEIGHED IN EACH YEAR)The average small mouth has beat the average walleye the past 11 years, while the average pike has beat the walleye the past 7 years! somethings wrong there ANDDD for you pike fisherman out there, the average small mouth has beat the average pike the past 12 years!!! WE NEED SOME CHANGES JAMES EHLERS!!! Averages are only part of it- medians and standard deviations are equally important. Point system changes have been in the works for a while now, please read the thread I started.
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Post by walleyeguy on Mar 22, 2010 19:59:18 GMT -5
I dont understand all of those other things about standard deviations and medians but I will try to understand when I look at your thread. I do know that I dont trust a mathmatical equation to suggest a point system when the equation used can not take into consideration spawning times and typical water temp. during the derby. Bass will bite on a cigerette butt when they are on there bed. As far as the state record is concerned that is great but that one fish caught through the ice full of eggs doesnt prove anything. Three pounds of eggs and it just wasnt caught during second week of June Climate. Sorry so long.!
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Post by Raz on Mar 26, 2010 6:40:09 GMT -5
I think it was Razzle last year that made the point every species for its self and i agree with that. Yes, I made that point and that is how I feel the derby would be at it's fairest to all fisherman. But in all fairness to the LCI, I wonder if the derby would attract as many fishermen? The current derby attracts folks from all over the country which in turn brings a lot of money to our local economies. And...lots of cash for the LCI which I don't have a problem with at all. If the LCI uses that money to fund their "lobbying" efforts for the lake, then so be it. It's done for the good of the lake and its fishery that we all love. maefly(gary) made that point very well in another thread. Thanks Gary. We all have the right to make a choice. Choose to participate, or choose not too. I personally haven't participated in the Fathers Day for years, but have participated in the All Season for quite a few. I don't like the point system and have spoken to James about it. They can't please everyone, it's all good.
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Post by Raz on Mar 26, 2010 6:43:50 GMT -5
I dont understand all of those other things about standard deviations and medians but I will try to understand when I look at your thread. I do know that I dont trust a mathmatical equation to suggest a point system when the equation used can not take into consideration spawning times and typical water temp. during the derby. Bass will bite on a cigerette butt when they are on there bed. As far as the state record is concerned that is great but that one fish caught through the ice full of eggs doesnt prove anything. Three pounds of eggs and it just wasnt caught during second week of June Climate. Sorry so long.! X2 (with the exception of trying to understand the deviations and medians) I just don't want to try to understand it...call me lazy (or to absorbed/busy with other stuff) Great points.
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Post by fishinmachine on Apr 6, 2010 3:24:30 GMT -5
WHO CARES ?
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