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Post by Dockside (Ben) on Aug 30, 2010 14:27:54 GMT -5
Gary, I wasn't at the meeting where they imposed the moratorium. I was at the meetings with both state federations that represent the bass clubs in the state and both meetings ended with a "we will not fight this" stance. That is why there was little representation to fight the moratorium. Like I said, I didn't agree with it but the masses outweighed the few and we, as a bass community, allowed the state to keep us from having tournaments that weekend. Just an FYI. Tto my knowledge, NY hasn't done anything of the type. The tournament on the south end of the lake that started this craziness was out of Ti and there is nothing stopping it from happening again. We had a club tournament out of Rouses Point on youth weekend last year. How hard can it be to shoot a duck anyway? I feed them all the time in the marinas... I am wondering why your using this thread to unleash your true feelings about waterfowl hunters? Please leave the waterfowl hunters out of this thread. Big Ben
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Post by An Bradon Charters on Aug 30, 2010 14:39:34 GMT -5
I don't think the answer is more taxes Obama fans! The question and concern is. Who is replenishing the Bass stocks after these tournaments? One would argue that the bass stocks are self sustaining? Maybe so for now. There are studies underway now to look at the effect of these tournaments. If it turns out the Bass cant sustain the pressure who is going to re stock them? Currently there are no organizations that re stock Bass in VT. Cold water fish are stocked and replenished in Champlain. I like most of you pay for that stocking through fishing license fees as well as sporting good purchase taxes. Do none of you believe that the Bass population will decline if there are more tournaments held with no means of restocking other then natural reproduction? I suppose some could be that blind. I would have no problem having to purchase a so called license to charter on Champlain. I would just want to make sure that it also applied to hunting guides as well. Charter captains are licensed through the USCG and yes it costs money. Those are federal monies which Federal monies do come to Champlain. I along with Gary am pretty much done with this thread. It appears that some folks just go through life with tunnel vision. I am still against Bass tournaments as they are now. I hope the Bass hang in there and do not become stories of years past as the Walleye have. Good fishing! Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
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Post by maefly on Aug 30, 2010 14:43:53 GMT -5
Gary, I wasn't at the meeting where they imposed the moratorium. I was at the meetings with both state federations that represent the bass clubs in the state and both meetings ended with a "we will not fight this" stance. That is why there was little representation to fight the moratorium. Like I said, I didn't agree with it but the masses outweighed the few and we, as a bass community, allowed the state to keep us from having tournaments that weekend. Just an FYI. Tto my knowledge, NY hasn't done anything of the type. The tournament on the south end of the lake that started this craziness was out of Ti and there is nothing stopping it from happening again. We had a club tournament out of Rouses Point on youth weekend last year. How hard can it be to shoot a duck anyway? I feed them all the time in the marinas... South Bay and FLW started it, LCI had the conflict at Ti. If New York still issues permits then they renigged on an agreement. No suprise there, I know everyone will just jump across and get NY permits only. And regarding ducks in the marina's? What can I say...you got me on that one. It's not that hard if you ignore whats down range. Unfortunately those darn hunter safety classes teach us not to do that.
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Post by maefly on Aug 30, 2010 14:53:17 GMT -5
Gary, I wasn't at the meeting where they imposed the moratorium. I was at the meetings with both state federations that represent the bass clubs in the state and both meetings ended with a "we will not fight this" stance. That is why there was little representation to fight the moratorium. Like I said, I didn't agree with it but the masses outweighed the few and we, as a bass community, allowed the state to keep us from having tournaments that weekend. Just an FYI. Tto my knowledge, NY hasn't done anything of the type. The tournament on the south end of the lake that started this craziness was out of Ti and there is nothing stopping it from happening again. We had a club tournament out of Rouses Point on youth weekend last year. How hard can it be to shoot a duck anyway? I feed them all the time in the marinas... I am wondering why your using this thread to unleash your true feelings about waterfowl hunters? Please leave the waterfowl hunters out of this thread. Big Ben It's directed at me Ben. I'm the waterfowl hunter that started the "craziness". I was naive enough to think that 1 weekend set aside for the kids, the future of our sport wasnt asking for to much. I have learned so much since that time.
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Post by optimusfisher on Aug 30, 2010 15:06:35 GMT -5
Seems wrong to get mad at any of the smaller tourneys because those are usually a group of guys who would be out fishing anyways and potentially keeping that catch anyways. It's the huge tourneys or at least how they are run that have to cause questions. Even if all released fish lived through the process how good is it for the fishery that all of these fish have been taken from all over the lake and dumped in one place? That's not catch and release to me. You'd think they could deploy official judges with validated scales throughout the lake so that fish could be weighed in closer in time and proximity to when they were caught and get released back into the water. Heck they've got camera crews out there on boats. Another reason why I get annoyed with the tourneys is there are a lot of bad apples that make it real hard to want to take their side. I'm sure like anything there are some great upstanding people in those tourneys as well, however, I'm that guy in a little 12' aluminum boat just trying to get some relaxing fishing in on my one day a week I'm allowed to myself and when some cocky jerk comes blowing by in his $50K bass boat and nearly capsizes you with his wake it is pretty hard not to wish the tourneys weren't allowed. Again you'd think this is something the tourney organizers would take a bigger part in self policing to improve their image and reputation so that they are more welcomed on the lakes. I guess in the end it seems like some of the tourney folks feel like as long as they bring the cash in it doesn't matter how they behave or what they do to the lake, which is unfortunate.
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Post by salmoneye on Aug 30, 2010 19:29:46 GMT -5
I am wondering why your using this thread to unleash your true feelings about waterfowl hunters? Please leave the waterfowl hunters out of this thread. Big Ben It was a joke. Even Jarheads get jokes, right? [/quote] Que?
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Post by schodackbassman on Aug 30, 2010 20:16:54 GMT -5
This thread started discussing how and why fish were dying. Perhaps we should stick to that and skip the name calling....
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Post by champlainbaits on Aug 30, 2010 20:50:15 GMT -5
schodackbassman I agree. As a BASS guy I'll tell you that I never met anyone who wanted a bass to live more than a tournament fisherman. Not because of the money on the line...Most of us love and respect these fish very much and want them to thrive without stocking. For the HUGE majority of BASS folks it's not about money because there is none to be made. It's about competition and the love of fishing.
That said I'll also tell you that although I agree the conditions might be killing some fish of all kinds...there are a lot of dead fish from these tournaments and there isn't really any denying that.
With that said I would just like the folks at the top (where the money is being made) to respect the fish enough to do something about it and keep the spirit of the sport alive with the least negative impact on the fish. I said it earlier in the thread but smaller limits and lunker only type tournaments would help a lot. It's not like this hasn't been done before. BASS has a history of conservation efforts (not to mention boat safety). Sustainability has been a part of BASS from the beginning.
Other than that I'll just say that I think fishermen and hunters should stick together...we are the only ones who have each others backs.
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Post by Raz on Aug 31, 2010 5:19:05 GMT -5
Other than that I'll just say that I think fishermen and hunters should stick together...we are the only ones who have each others backs. AMEN
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Post by Dockside (Ben) on Aug 31, 2010 7:35:29 GMT -5
Being called a Jarhead is a compliment to me because I earned that title.
I don't think it was meant to "hurt my feelings", I am a Jarhead I have no feelings ;D
I would also like to add I currently have 2 Johnson outboards in the shop getting fixed, while my trusty Mercury is bearing the load like it all ways has. ;D
As for the rest of this thread it's pretty much the same as last year. This one just went on a little longer ;D
Happy fishing to all, please keep feeding the ducks they are delicious ;D
Big Ben
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Post by salmoneye on Aug 31, 2010 9:05:36 GMT -5
please keep feeding the ducks they are delicious Good thing he didn't call you a Gyrene, huh Ben? And anyone that thinks ducks are that easy to shoot, has never frozen their @$$ off in a blind at 5AM, crunched 1/2 mile of skim ice, and then gone over their waders in 40° water... Wait a minute... Sorta sounds like Salmon Fishing... ;D
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Post by fishinmachine on Aug 31, 2010 9:51:45 GMT -5
I see nothing wrong with a little discussion on topics that interest members of this forum, sometimes it gets a little heated...so what? if you don't like the thread you can always stay off it... also ,isn't open discussion the very definition of a forum?
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Post by schodackbassman on Aug 31, 2010 9:54:48 GMT -5
All I can say to the duck hunters is don't be shy about letting us bass fisherman know you are there. Sometimes I'm drifting along and just don't see you or your blind until I get close and notice the ducks aren't moving. I like most are more then happy to give you lots of room, use our trolling motors to minimize noise, and get out of your area ASAP. We know we can move and you can't easily. We just don't always see you until we are closer then intended. Your blinds are well made to fool ducks and some will tell you I'm not a lot brighter then the ducks. Just ask my wife.....
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Post by maefly on Aug 31, 2010 10:10:27 GMT -5
Being called a Jarhead is a compliment to me because I earned that title. I don't think it was meant to "hurt my feelings", I am a Jarhead I have no feelings ;D I would also like to add I currently have 2 Johnson outboards in the shop getting fixed, while my trusty Mercury is bearing the load like it all ways has. ;D As for the rest of this thread it's pretty much the same as last year. This one just went on a little longer ;D Happy fishing to all, please keep feeding the ducks they are delicious ;D Big Ben Is there a way I can post a 3.3MB WMV file without using a link to my photo bucket account ? I have something related to this subject you guys will love to see.
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Post by An Bradon Charters on Aug 31, 2010 14:18:12 GMT -5
Being called a Jarhead is a compliment to me because I earned that title. I don't think it was meant to "hurt my feelings", I am a Jarhead I have no feelings ;D I would also like to add I currently have 2 Johnson outboards in the shop getting fixed, while my trusty Mercury is bearing the load like it all ways has. ;D As for the rest of this thread it's pretty much the same as last year. This one just went on a little longer ;D Happy fishing to all, please keep feeding the ducks they are delicious ;D Big Ben I stand corrected on the Jarhead comment. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
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