|
Post by An Bradon Charters on Jan 31, 2011 20:08:53 GMT -5
what was being done? can you be more specific? They were asking us what section of the lake the fish were caught. I, of course was very specific. Often times furnishing them with Bob Qua's GPS coordinates. That is all they were doing asking where you caught them?? Does not sound like much to me.Maybe you could provide some more specific information on exactly what they were asking as well as other data they may have collected? Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
|
|
|
Post by snobbinsbasscat on Feb 1, 2011 5:33:28 GMT -5
They were asking us what section of the lake the fish were caught. I, of course was very specific. Often times furnishing them with Bob Qua's GPS coordinates. That is all they were doing asking where you caught them?? Does not sound like much to me.Maybe you could provide some more specific information on exactly what they were asking as well as other data they may have collected? Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.comOK. Here goes. I will be specific... Them:"What section(s) of the lake did you catch your fish in?" Me:(Pointing at the proper section)"This one" Specific enough?
|
|
|
Post by An Bradon Charters on Feb 1, 2011 6:18:55 GMT -5
Based on the job posting below, it appears as though there is going to be some research involving the release of bass during tournament events here on Lake Champlain. Hopefully some of the questions raised here will be answered. #6658 | Graduate Research Assistant in Fish Biology | Lake Champlain Research Institute, NY | student Salary: Competitive stipend, plus tuition waiver for 1 yr year 2 contingent on grant funds Closing: 3/1 Responsibilities: Graduate Research Assistant in Fish Biology, 2011-2012 Assist with a study of black bass dispersal patterns, following the release from tournament events on Lake Champlain. Duties include fish tagging and telemetry, data entry and analysis. The graduate assistant will work at the Lake Champlain Research Institute supervised by LCRI staff, and will be expected to complete a research thesis based on this project. Qualifications: Bachelors degree in Biology, Ecology, Fisheries or a related science. The student must be accepted and enroll in the Masters in Natural Science degree at SUNY Plattsburgh. Preference will be given for students with career interests in fisheries and/or experience with telemetry studies, GIS and/or statistical analysis. Contact: Dr. Timothy B. Mihuc, at below email. Web Link: Contact Email Address: timothy.mihuc@plattsburgh.edu Date Added: January-27-2011 Ouananiche, Thanks again for the information. Do you know if the information gathered will be made public? Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com Read more: cjohn2979.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lci&action=display&thread=7196&page=4#ixzz1ChmGsPl8
|
|
|
Post by ouananiche on Feb 1, 2011 13:03:01 GMT -5
One can only assume that this study is more concerned with what happens to the bass AFTER release, not where they were caught. I would think that the incidence of post release mortality would also be of interest as well as the actual DISPERSAL of the fish upon release.
I do not know if the data gathered will be made public. I do not see why not. I guess that it might depend on who actually is funding the study.
|
|
|
Post by An Bradon Charters on Feb 2, 2011 12:34:51 GMT -5
Yesterday at 1:03pm, ouananiche wrote: One can only assume that this study is more concerned with what happens to the bass AFTER release, not where they were caught. I would think that the incidence of post release mortality would also be of interest as well as the actual DISPERSAL of the fish upon release.
I do not know if the data gathered will be made public. I do not see why not. I guess that it might depend on who actually is funding the study. Thank you for the information. One would think that those into these bass tournaments would take this discussion more seriously then at least one has? I suppose each of us id different. But I am still scratching my head! Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com Read more: cjohn2979.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=lci&action=display&thread=7196&page=4#ixzz1Cp9a6FFn
|
|
|
Post by rvq on Feb 2, 2011 13:59:32 GMT -5
As I have said numerous times, there is ample information and studies available on post tournament bass mortality. Has anyone taken the time to look? NO. It is easier to speculate the worst and base a solution on a supposed problem. Many of the points about bass tournaments are legitimate, but concluding that they are destroying the bass population is not one of them.. Bob
|
|
|
Post by schodackbassman on Feb 2, 2011 21:17:59 GMT -5
I think I have an article on the mortality rates for tournaments someplace if I can put my hands on it. Think one of our friend on here sent it to me when the topic was discussed at length in an thread a few years back. Will try to find and post.
|
|
|
Post by rvq on Feb 2, 2011 21:26:07 GMT -5
Just Google post tournament bass mortality. Bob
|
|
|
Post by An Bradon Charters on Feb 3, 2011 19:42:46 GMT -5
Just Google post tournament bass mortality. Bob Bob I goggled post bass tournament mortality Vermont I got sites and information. but I will be dammed if i can find any specific information on the bass Mortality from tournaments on LAKE CHAMPLAIN. If you have this information specific to lake Champlain, then please provide the link instead of telling people to look it up on google. I can understand you are a bass Tournament advocate as well as devoted LCI supporter. thats fine with me. But the discussion was to get answers on this subject. My Personal view is that tournaments DO have an effect on the fishery as far as bass are concerned. I welcome the Study that looks like will be coming up this year. Pretty straight forward question. Other so called bass tourney organizers sarcastically said this has been done in the past? If you bass tournament guys want to put the issue to rest, why not provide information backing up your claims?? Rvq, Snobbinbass, I sent you both PMS! Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
|
|
|
Post by rvq on Feb 3, 2011 21:36:53 GMT -5
I did not say that there were any post tournament mortality studies done on Lake Champlain. I said that there have been many studies done on this subject on other lakes in the US. Try the Google without Vermont in it. I'll repeat , yet again, that there are some legitimate gripes against bass tournaments, but I don't feel that there is any hard evidence of them causing a depletion in the bass population. Bob
|
|
|
Post by bassgeek (Brock) on Feb 3, 2011 21:38:14 GMT -5
Tony, I sent you all sorts of post mortality studies a couple of years ago when you were beating this dead horse. No, they were not from Lake Champlain but there was one from Wisconsin very similar habitat. I have stayed out of this one so far, because last year when I defended bass tournaments on this forum I had people swearing at me on here. Do I have hard numbers on Lake Champlain no. Do I feel that tournaments are doing harm to the bass population no. Is the fishing a little tougher, yes. This can be attributed to multiple factors. Alewives are very present in the lake as we all know. This is changing the way the bass feed in my opinion. Zebra mussels, the water is much clearer in the southern part of the lake than it has ever been. It can be much harder to fool a bass in clear water. Tournament pressure, the fish are seeing a lot of the same things over and over again.
The biggest issue I see is access to the lake. We need more access areas and I don't see that happening any time soon. Should we limit tournaments, I don't think so. Will it happen, I guess it probably will. Enough of you guys whine to the right people and eventually there will be a limit on tournaments and the shame of it is it will have nothing to do with science and everything to do with social issues.
It is bad enough that we have to worry about the anti-fishing/hunting crowd. The last thing we should be doing is fighting with each other over something we all enjoy (fishing in case you forgot). We just have different ways of enjoying it, if the law is not being broken then who cares. Can't we all just get along.
I am now officially stepping off my soap box.
|
|
|
Post by schodackbassman on Feb 3, 2011 23:00:13 GMT -5
Brock - I think you explained your and many others position well. I can't argue with anything presented. More access would alleviate many issues/conflicts and make for a more pleasurable day on the water for many. I guess it comes down to what everyone is willing to pay for. Through taxes or launch fees.
In NY, many State public launches are now pay access. Saratoga Lake comes to mind. Was free for many years until several years ago. Now it is $6 I believe. Schodack State Park is the same during the warm months.
That said, there are a lot of private access points around the lake where you pay to launch. Some host tournaments and some probably haven't thought about it. Pleasure boaters could use private launches too if they want to avoid the crowds. Look, I have to pay $7 to launch/park at my own marina. But tell you what, I rarely have to wait in line and if I do it is for one other boater. Compare that experience to waiting on 10 boaters, a few of which are sure to be amatures, and I think you will agree its worth what amounts to a bag of Senko's or a half pack of smokes to pay. I always get a kick out of folks in 30K to 55K boat behind a 35K truck complaining about paying $6 to launch and park. Kind of funny when you think about it.
So I will say again, let's just fish....
|
|
|
Post by fishinmachine on Feb 4, 2011 5:53:55 GMT -5
as I have said numerous times before(although maybe not very clearly) I think the biggest problem is ACCESS,if we had better accesses or just more parking it would make most of this argument go away. I don't care who's fishing what as long as I can find a place to park my rig after driving an hour and a half just to get there.
|
|
|
Post by An Bradon Charters on Feb 4, 2011 6:15:42 GMT -5
Tony, I sent you all sorts of post mortality studies a couple of years ago when you were beating this dead horse. No, they were not from Lake Champlain but there was one from Wisconsin very similar habitat. I have stayed out of this one so far, because last year when I defended bass tournaments on this forum I had people swearing at me on here. Do I have hard numbers on Lake Champlain no. Do I feel that tournaments are doing harm to the bass population no. Is the fishing a little tougher, yes. This can be attributed to multiple factors. Alewives are very present in the lake as we all know. This is changing the way the bass feed in my opinion. Zebra mussels, the water is much clearer in the southern part of the lake than it has ever been. It can be much harder to fool a bass in clear water. Tournament pressure, the fish are seeing a lot of the same things over and over again. The biggest issue I see is access to the lake. We need more access areas and I don't see that happening any time soon. Should we limit tournaments, I don't think so. Will it happen, I guess it probably will. Enough of you guys whine to the right people and eventually there will be a limit on tournaments and the shame of it is it will have nothing to do with science and everything to do with social issues. It is bad enough that we have to worry about the anti-fishing/hunting crowd. The last thing we should be doing is fighting with each other over something we all enjoy (fishing in case you forgot). We just have different ways of enjoying it, if the law is not being broken then who cares. Can't we all just get along. I am now officially stepping off my soap box. Yes you did send some studies on other places. ONCE again I am only interested in studies that have been conducted on Champlain. None have been to my knowledge yet. My point is looks like there will be soon. And that should help answer my questions as many other peoples questions. I am not whining. I simply asked how can people make anything other then a opinion on if tournaments are bad or not? There has been nothing done to back that up on Champlain. I also will add that the same thing applies for those of us who think that these tournaments are bad for Champlain. That is the reason I welcome this study, and hopefully some other ones over a period of time. This way we can all get the right answers and not just opinions. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
|
|
|
Post by snobbinsbasscat on Feb 4, 2011 9:27:54 GMT -5
I would suggest doing your own research on this. Why should Bob or Brock or I look things up for you? You seem to be interested in it a lot more than we are.
As far as your PM goes, we support different organizations from Make A Wish to the Howard Center to the LCI Next Generation Fund. Amounts will vary depending on participation and expenses/sponsor support.
I am done with this thread. In reading Brock's post, it is clear where you are coming from.
|
|