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Post by maefly on May 2, 2011 20:40:02 GMT -5
I think everybody should practice catch and release even charters or even do away with charter boats on Champlain. I also think the amount of lines allowed per person in a boat should be lowered to 6 per boat max. Nothing wrong with keeping some for the dinner table...it's a put and take, RENEWABLE resource. Do away with charters? More than a little elitist to suggest that the fish are only there for those with the money, time, and inclination to own and outfit a boat and learn the tricks to catch something...not to mention the person that wants to experience the lake while here on a once in a lifetime visit. Charters perform a valuable service, just ask someone who would never be able to experience what we do on a regular basis without them.
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Post by fishinmachine on May 3, 2011 4:07:02 GMT -5
scales and tales,,,get your greenie head out of your butt and get real,,,we already have laws to protect the fish,,do you think the NY and VT. fish and game departments don't know what they are doing? the number of lines per person is TWO
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Post by in t h e o f f i c e on May 3, 2011 10:44:12 GMT -5
I think everybody should practice catch and release even charters or even do away with charter boats on Champlain. I also think the amount of lines allowed per person in a boat should be lowered to 6 per boat max. huh? We *should* be allowed 3 rods per angler on Champlain! That's the ticket! Either that or limit "fishing" along the lines you have suggested to photos only with underwater cameras? It would take tens of millions of dollars and an act of congress to get Champlain even started on historical salmon and walleye runs. And even then there is no guarentee that it would work even *if* all the dams were taken out or fixed. Then there is the alewives... C&R only won't restore anything but public outcry. What the hecque are you talking about with charters? Have you ever noticed that Vermont is *primarily* a tourism economy with a few other strong industries? Charters are part of tourism and a benefit to micro-economies and incidental lodging revenue. Or were you just trying to rile people up?
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Post by in t h e o f f i c e on May 3, 2011 10:45:07 GMT -5
if u find the lci gazette can u post were there are I heard that due to Elk Pubs distress there wasn't going to be one...
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Post by fishing eagle on May 3, 2011 13:39:43 GMT -5
Okay I do practice catch & release, especially if I catch a small fish or a non-targeted fish. Also when I release fish I try not to take the fish out of the water to help give the released fish the best chance for survival. Holding a fish out of the water like scalesandtales is doing in his avatar may cause stress and non-survival of the fish when he released it.
Oh by the way I also do practice catch and eat too. I love fish and 90% of most seafood so I keep my share of fish to fillet for dinner.
And if a fish is injured from my catching it, I will usually keep it because its survival might be in doubt. It is better that I eat and not waste our resources. Maybe scalesandtales should stop fishing because he may be killing fish by his catch & release procedures?
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Post by Goldie Lox on May 3, 2011 14:41:02 GMT -5
Sorry about the charter comment. I am not anti charter. I have been on many on Ontario. We there is a great bunch fisherman on this lake. I just hate listening to people complain about everything. We practice catch and release probably 95% of the time. I have some friends that love Salmon so every once in a while I throw them a bone.
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Post by salmoneye on May 4, 2011 20:06:27 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with keeping some for the dinner table...it's a put and take, RENEWABLE resource. Do away with charters? More than a little elitist to suggest that the fish are only there for those with the money, time, and inclination to own and outfit a boat and learn the tricks to catch something...not to mention the person that wants to experience the lake while here on a once in a lifetime visit. Charters perform a valuable service, just ask someone who would never be able to experience what we do on a regular basis without them. On this, we agree 100%... Well said...
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Post by mudchuck on Jun 13, 2011 20:12:26 GMT -5
I could care less about tourney's, I think they're rigged anyhow. I am concerned that Gary has an attitude towards canoes, kayaks and alum cartoppers. "But there is a plus to all this madness...it keeps the annoying kayaks, canoes, and small aluminum cartoppers off the lake on weekends." Why do you have an attitude towards them? I suppose those that drag lures behind them take on a "superior" attitude, and those that fish from canoes, kayaks and alum cartops aren't worthy to be called fishermen... I say get somewhere with your attitude dude, no offense but I bet there are some out there that could outfish you from a canoe anyday...
AND BTW, THOSE OF YOU THAT FISH IN THOSE FANCY BASS BOATS AND SEE SOMEONE LAND A NICE LUNKER FROM SHORE FISHING UNDER A WELL KNOWN DRAWBRIDGE, YOU HAVE THE WHOLE DAMN LAKE TO FISH, WHY DO YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO RUN YOUR RIG RIGHT UP IN WHERE MY LINE IS, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. FOR THE RECORD, I FISH FOR FANCY BASS BOATS THAT GET WITHIN RANGE OF MY SINKERS!!!
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Post by maefly on Jun 15, 2011 15:27:45 GMT -5
I could care less about tourney's, I think they're rigged anyhow. I am concerned that Gary has an attitude towards canoes, kayaks and alum cartoppers. "But there is a plus to all this madness...it keeps the annoying kayaks, canoes, and small aluminum cartoppers off the lake on weekends." Why do you have an attitude towards them? I suppose those that drag lures behind them take on a "superior" attitude, and those that fish from canoes, kayaks and alum cartops aren't worthy to be called fishermen... I say get somewhere with your attitude dude, no offense but I bet there are some out there that could outfish you from a canoe anyday... AND BTW, THOSE OF YOU THAT FISH IN THOSE FANCY BASS BOATS AND SEE SOMEONE LAND A NICE LUNKER FROM SHORE FISHING UNDER A WELL KNOWN DRAWBRIDGE, YOU HAVE THE WHOLE DAMN LAKE TO FISH, WHY DO YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO RUN YOUR RIG RIGHT UP IN WHERE MY LINE IS, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. FOR THE RECORD, I FISH FOR FANCY BASS BOATS THAT GET WITHIN RANGE OF MY SINKERS!!! And I say get somewhere with your comprehension, DUDE ! Ever hear the term "Tounge In Cheek"? The comment was made to point out the difficulty kayakers, canoers, and cartoppers have on the lake, nobody has supported their right to safely use the lake on this forum more than me, I have mentioned here countless times and usually get my ass handed to me by the bass tournie crowd for mentioning it. Good friggin grief...
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Post by WildFisherWoman on Jun 16, 2011 6:45:32 GMT -5
I practice catch and release........... release into my livewell!!!!!
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Post by mempfree on Jun 16, 2011 20:56:43 GMT -5
Built2crash Don't keep any Bass, under 3.5lbs? Are you talking about the Adults, or the Youth, when you say that? The LCI, brings alot of individuals to this tournament, that only come to Lake Champlain, once a year. They take there vacation time. They go by the rules set up, by the LCI. I strive, to keep any fish, that are going to be weighed in, by my family members, alive. Its just like the many professional Bass organizations, and I say many, each summer on Lake Champlain. We do go by the LCI Regs. Its just hard, when you have no new cellphone, to get update results. I leason to the local Radio Stations, that update the daily results. Other wise, we keep the fish alive, then they are released at the LCI weigh-in Stations.
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Post by vtangler on Jun 17, 2011 10:05:54 GMT -5
I've been fishing Lake Champlain since the mid seventies. I've been fishing bass tournements since around 1996. I fishied in the First LCI, and I've tried to fish it as much as I could in the years following. I fish around half a dozen tournements a year on Champlain. I rent a cottage for the entire season on Torry Island on the southern end of the Lake, so I fish Champlain around 40-50 days a year.
I agree that there is a ton of tourneys, but I do not agree that it's doing any harm to the fishery. I fished the Northern Bass Supply Open out of Ticonderoga three times. Ususally there is between 90-110 boats. The last two times I've fished it, I have not seen one dead bass. Most boats catch a limmit, so I'm guessing around 70 or so limmits are brought in. I'd guess around 400-450 bass on average are weighed in. Logic would dictate that a few of them die within a few days, but very few, maybe 4-5 fish at best. So the rest of the are still alive.
The bass fishing is as good as it ever was. The two times I've been out this year, I've caught and realeased around 40 bass a day. I don't see the fishery going down hill, if it was, I'd be the first to speak out.
Having said that, there are other side effects of having that many tourneys. One is that many bass are being relocated, and they do get pressured in some parts of the lake by the time mid July rolls in. That makes it quite hard for casuall anglers to go out and have stellar days. They might think all fish are caught out of the lake, when in fact their just under pressure, and on the move. The bass will migrate miles in some cases looking for new areas to feed, and sometimes go for a ride in a livewell.
Another unpleasent side effect is over crowding, and some of the anglers are quite aggressive. I fished a bass tourny two years ago, got a early draw, and headed out to hit a honey hole I stumbled across a few days before. Well along comes another boat, and comes off plane about twenty five feet from us, and drop the trolling moter, chuck a buay right were we are casting, and basicaly try to push out off the spot. So I cast about a foot from their boat just to let them know it aint happening. We pulled two 4 pounders out before they showed up, and two more with them right on top of us.........complete BS what those guys pulled. That is not a uncommon occurance. Later that day on another spot, we landed a nice bass out of a thick patch of millfoil, two boats around 100' away put their trolling moter on full and motered right at us to throw at that patch when were still fishing it...........rather shameful behavior if you ask me. It's annoying when your working a stretch, and along comes some dudes that know your fishing a weedline, or a stretch of bank, and they cut right in front of you. That's the kind of BS that ticks people off. People that compete in tourneys need to make sure they are respectfull of other anglers, the negitive feedback hurts everyone that enjoys the sport.
There is a valid argument that having tourneys out of every launch makes it hard for casual fisherman. It sucks to show up that boat ramp at 8:00am to find all the parking gone. It sucks even more when you ride to another launch, and it's full also. There are a few good arguments on why so many tourneys have a negitive impact, but I'll never buy it's really hurting the fishery being that almost every tourney has a remarkable mortality rate with the livewells bass boats have. Occasionally a few fish die, but champlain is a mamoth fishery with a forage base that is complete overkill.
Then you have to weigh the finantial impact that tourneys have, a study by Vermont, and New York chamber of commerces did jointly estimated that tournement fishing has a 200million dollar impact......that's champlain basin alone.
For all the fish that die in the LCI, the money raised has a much bigger possitive benifit. If it wasn't for the work they do, there might not be lampray control, or reastablishing of spawing habitat on rivers by dam removal. LCI is a major player in protecting the Lake. The plusses seem to outweigh the negative impacts as far as I can see. If the fishing starts to suck, I'll think differently.
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Post by ouananiche on Jun 17, 2011 16:20:39 GMT -5
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Post by An Bradon Charters on Jun 22, 2011 19:23:44 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the LCI Big Species money fish, being mystery weight fish? Anyone know how this works? Will this increase fish mortality? Just curious. So Derby is over. Can anyone shed some light on the details of the Mystery fish and 300,000.00 ? Details how it was set up? How It worked? And The results? Including fish weighed in specifically for this add on? RVQ you seem to be the Mouth piece on this forum regarding the LCI. So I look forward to your response as well as anyone else who has first hand knowledge of this. Thinking about getting to the awards ceremony on Saturday as well. Not to crash the party, but try to get some of these questions answered. Anyone else interested? Thanks to all. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
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Post by An Bradon Charters on Jun 25, 2011 23:23:08 GMT -5
I did not make it to the awards ceremony. But here is a link to the rules of the LCI as well as the 30,000 fish and 300,000 fish. www.mychamplain.net/2011-rules-regulationsNot sure of the actual odds, but I would think your chances of getting hit by lightning are better? Maybe a math person could give us real figures? What A farce as far as the hype about these pay outs. Read the rules. Used to be Derby breaking records would get a big cash payout. Not anymore. As usual, it is all in the fine print. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
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