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Post by -pumpkinseedwon on Feb 5, 2011 19:53:07 GMT -5
Hey Tony we are tring to get the walleye turned around but it takes alot of work. I guess if we knew that when we could take 10 fish in the 70's we should have taken 5 but know one knew now maybe 3 should be 2.We are seeing good returns in the Winooski ,Missisquoi and Lamoille even the old Otter is showing a few good catches.
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Post by An Bradon Charters on Feb 6, 2011 21:15:51 GMT -5
Hey Tony we are tring to get the walleye turned around but it takes alot of work. I guess if we knew that when we could take 10 fish in the 70's we should have taken 5 but know one knew now maybe 3 should be 2.We are seeing good returns in the Winooski ,Missisquoi and Lamoille even the old Otter is showing a few good catches. I think the LCWA does a GREAT job. I am sure it is allot of work. The thought was back then that Walleye could sustain themselves, Just like is the opinion of many as far as the bass are concerned. I would hate too see the same mistake made twice. To be fair as of now no one knows weather or not tournaments have a negative impact on Lake Champlain. Each year we see more and more tournaments. So Once again I think it it time to do studies on the impact if any. Great thread and many points of view from both sides of the issue. Hopefully more people will continue to chime in. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
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Post by fishinmachine on Feb 6, 2011 22:37:50 GMT -5
they thought the buffalo would last forever,too
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Post by Cas (Mike) on Feb 7, 2011 10:30:52 GMT -5
ouananiche made a post earlier about a job position related to a study on Champlain. I checked an email I had from Chris Saunders of Senator Leahy's office related to all the funding going to Champlain, and there was this: "Survival and Dispersal of Smallmouth and Largemouth Bass following Catch-and-release Tournament Angling in Lake Champlain Recent evidence suggests that there is little evidence toward the fate of fish that are returned to Lake Champlain following bass tournaments (“released fish”). LCRI at SUNY Plattsburgh has developed a working protocol to assess the impact of tournament fishing on released fish through tagging and the use of electronic tracking devices. This project will provide a better understanding of the Lake’s bass fishery and will help tournament organizers minimize impacts of bass tournaments. $80,000" I did a Google search on "LCRI bass tournament study" and came up with this: www.mail-archive.com/ecolog-l@listserv.umd.edu/msg20663.html(for some reason, the link above doesn't work, probably because of the l@listserver, but copy/paste that entire thing and you should be able to view it) This links to the same posting that ouananiche made earlier. So by the sounds of it, we're in luck and a study will be happening on Lake Champlain starting this year. The start date for the research position is May/June 2011 so we have something to look forward to. I emailed the coordinator of this at Plattsburgh State to try and get some more information from him regarding the study.
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Post by maefly on Feb 7, 2011 10:51:28 GMT -5
Hey Tony we are tring to get the walleye turned around but it takes alot of work. I guess if we knew that when we could take 10 fish in the 70's we should have taken 5 but know one knew now maybe 3 should be 2.We are seeing good returns in the Winooski ,Missisquoi and Lamoille even the old Otter is showing a few good catches. I think the LCWA does a GREAT job. I am sure it is allot of work. The thought was back then that Walleye could sustain themselves, Just like is the opinion of many as far as the bass are concerned. I would hate too see the same mistake made twice. To be fair as of now no one knows weather or not tournaments have a negative impact on Lake Champlain. Each year we see more and more tournaments. So Once again I think it it time to do studies on the impact if any. Great thread and many points of view from both sides of the issue. Hopefully more people will continue to chime in. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com Good points Tony. As many have mentioned, there are plenty of studies to look up, but every one I ever saw addressed mortality rates after a tournie. I am not aware of any that looked at LONG TERM effect of the amount of tournies Champlain gets. By long term I refer to years, not weeks. But then again perhaps we only need to look south for the answer. Many of the lakes down dixie way stock their lakes with bass the same way we stock salmon and trout. Is that an issue we'll be dealing with in 10 years? Turning over hatchery space to bass production to feed the tournies like they do down south? Maybe some think thats a good idea, and maybe some think that questioning this now is the responsible thing to do, and not "whining". And then there's the issue with access and conflicts with other users of the resource that have an EQUAL right to the lake. Should anyone have to scratch Champlain off their list because they know their local launch will be filled by a tournie? Should someone who just wants to take the kids out in the Jonboat to catch a few perch only go during the week because the weekend is to caotic? Should the lakefront property owner have to give up any chance of having some privacy on their dock because 50 tournie boats a day are casting under it on weekends? There are many issues related to tournies, and I'm convinced all of them could be worked out in a way that would be fair and equitable for all...many good ideas have been mentioned on this board in the past. Nobody is against tournies in general, for some just the quantity of them, and it's a shame that some look at any limit on them as a threat. It's a big lake, but not that big...and there are more than one way that people would like to enjoy it...and all are legitimate and deserve there place. And this is the most important thing to remember...NONE OF THIS HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH LIMITING SOMEONES ABILITY TO FISH!!! Limiting tournaments does not prevent the bass fishermen from fishing. Just ask schodack...but then again I'm partial to anyone that brings cold beer to my dock.
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Post by bassgeek (Brock) on Feb 7, 2011 18:58:11 GMT -5
The big difference between the depletion of the walleye and bass tournaments is that people were taking all those stringers of walleye home to eat. Yes there are some bass that are dying I will give you that. Far less than if every bass fisherman tournament or otherwise was taking all 5 bass they catch home to be eaten as we are allowed to do if we so choose. I agree that access is the biggest issue. Just remember that several of the tournaments are small clubs like mine that I think at most we have had 7 boats at a tournament. We try and be courteous as to how we park unlike some folks. If we are going to limit tournaments are we going to limit weekends that other people get to use the public access? Most of us would be fishing there anyways even if we did not have a tournament. Our club is only having 3 out of our 10 tournaments this season on Champlain so we will not be in your way too often. Gary if I have offended you by conversing with you while fishing around your dock I apologize. If is was not against our rules I would bring you a cold beer the next time I was fishing near your dock
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Post by maefly on Feb 7, 2011 19:15:03 GMT -5
The big difference between the depletion of the walleye and bass tournaments is that people were taking all those stringers of walleye home to eat. Yes there are some bass that are dying I will give you that. Far less than if every bass fisherman tournament or otherwise was taking all 5 bass they catch home to be eaten as we are allowed to do if we so choose. I agree that access is the biggest issue. Just remember that several of the tournaments are small clubs like mine that I think at most we have had 7 boats at a tournament. We try and be courteous as to how we park unlike some folks. If we are going to limit tournaments are we going to limit weekends that other people get to use the public access? Most of us would be fishing there anyways even if we did not have a tournament. Our club is only having 3 out of our 10 tournaments this season on Champlain so we will not be in your way too often. Gary if I have offended you by conversing with you while fishing around your dock I apologize. If is was not against our rules I would bring you a cold beer the next time I was fishing near your dock Brock, weve known each other a long time, I just wish I could come up with a better way to explain myself...it's not you or the small local clubs, plenty of times someone will pull up and chew the rag for awhile...but the knotheads that poor out of Ti, rude and aching for an argument...should my kids really be told to reel their line out of their way? Happened again this past year when my 12 year old cousin was visiting from SC. I am at a loss as to how to explain it any other way, if you think thats being unreasonable then so be it. But have no fear, after cutting my price 2 times I am convinced this is the year someone Finally buys my place, and once I no longer live here I'll never again see the water south of the bridge....It's All Yours !!!
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Post by schodackbassman on Feb 7, 2011 21:07:49 GMT -5
I love to fish docks certain times of the year but I have never, ever, fished a dock when people are around it much less on it. And when I do fish a dock it is only with a Texas rigged soft bait with no hooks exposed so I'm not nicking someones boat, dock, or dock lines. I think most fisherman have the same approach. If a kid is on the dock, I usually chat with him/her (ask Bob) to see how they are doing. I've even pulled up to help a the marina's owners grandson re-tie or untangle his rod. I enjoy that as much or more then fishing! Some of these pre-teens can fish too by the way! This grandson has a hook set that would put KVD to shame! How someone who weighs 70 lbs soaking wet can put together a 200 lb mans hook set is beyond me!
Gary, sorry to hear you are selling and heading for warmer digs. Can't blame you. If I had the scratch, I'd scoop up that place in a heart beat.
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Post by bassgeek (Brock) on Feb 7, 2011 21:35:08 GMT -5
Gary, just poking a little fun with you sorry. I will agree to disagree with you on limiting tournies. As far as fishing docks, I don't fish many docks. If people are there we generally avoid them or at least ask if it is ok to fish while they are there. It is the 1% that causes 99% of the problems. I feel it will still be that way even if tournaments are limited. The word is out and has been out, Champlain is a world class bass fishery. People are going to come tournaments or not. Gary, I am sad to hear that you plan on leaving Shoreham. You are one of the few conservative people living there. Good luck to you where ever you go. Tell that son of yours to get in touch with me some time.
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Post by Cas (Mike) on Feb 8, 2011 9:04:58 GMT -5
I heard back from Dr. Timothy Mihuc at SUNY Plattsburgh, they are indeed in the process of studying bass tournaments on Lake Champlain. His comments:
"Mike, Our study is just beginning so we don’t really have anything about Lake Champlain to share yet. By late 2011 we might have preliminary fish tracking data but by 2012 we really will have enough to make conclusions. There is a vast literature on Bass fishing and tournaments. I am attaching one of the review articles on the subject that covers the topic well."
His attached document was primarily related to black bass dispersal post-tournament, not necessarily mortality, but dispersal and how it affects spawning, etc. I'm looking forward to the results.
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Post by karl on Mar 28, 2011 18:15:46 GMT -5
Everyone has an agenda...the BassMasters obviously feel that the LCI, et al, are the greatest thing since sliced-bread...and, the bass population has proven to be self-sustaining...when was the last time bass were stocked into LC? (answer=never)
Then, Capt. Tony who feels tournaments are evil...but, he runs a charter fishing service...which is maybe just as evil to others...
Tony: are your charters all catch and release? Or, do your paying customers actually take home the legal-limit of trout and salmon and Northerns each trip? (assuming you sucessfully get them the maximum creel limit)?
Just wondering where your logic is coming from.
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Post by An Bradon Charters on Mar 29, 2011 16:32:39 GMT -5
Everyone has an agenda...the BassMasters obviously feel that the LCI, et al, are the greatest thing since sliced-bread...and, the bass population has proven to be self-sustaining...when was the last time bass were stocked into LC? (answer=never) Then, Capt. Tony who feels tournaments are evil...but, he runs a charter fishing service...which is maybe just as evil to others... Tony: are your charters all catch and release? Or, do your paying customers actually take home the legal-limit of trout and salmon and Northerns each trip? (assuming you sucessfully get them the maximum creel limit)? Just wondering where your logic is coming from. I am quite sure I did not refer to tournaments as "evil" As far as the bass population sustaining itself thus far as you said, is correct. That was also what was the case with the Walleye population until it was too late. As far as Charters go. We encourage catch and release of all fish. People who fish with us are also permitted to keep what they catch as far as they are within the Fish and Game laws. Bass and Pike are very rarely kept by clients on the An Bradon. Capt. Tony www.anbradoncharters.com
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Post by fishinmachine on Apr 3, 2011 19:31:12 GMT -5
neal67...not once in over 400 replies did anyone say that the LCI was hurting the fishing on LC, the original question was "where does all the money go?"If anything,people are giving the LCI credit for the improvements on Lake Champlain,whether they deserve it or not. you should go back to the original thread and read some of the hundreds of comments on there and see if you can find anyone blaming the LCI for poor fishing..Actually I think the fishing has improved a lot in the last few years on champlain,especially for salmon and lake trout,....bass,not so much
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Post by itsaboutfishing on Apr 7, 2011 9:32:22 GMT -5
Any thoughts on the new format for this year? It's something like a tagged fish or a hidden weight....not certain. Looking for more info.
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Post by bomber on Apr 7, 2011 17:03:02 GMT -5
Neal67, I'm not sure what your compliant is but the last couple years on Champlain have been some of the best trout & salmon fishing in years. The laker record gets broken a couple times a year and the salmon fishing has been great. Catching steelhead & browns once in a while. All in all the fishing is great. Don't understand what your talking about with the 15 rods on a boat, etc...
Captain Bill Birch
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